Two Questions for Melissa Saggerer

We recently published Melissa Saggerer’s lovely “Begin with an Ice Cream Cone.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

 

1) I love how this story opens with such a specific moment and then goes broader, drawing us into the narrator’s life, and then circles back to the beginning. What made you choose to “begin with an ice cream cone”?

A: Thank you! I wanted to start with a small loss, something that was easy to recover from, something from childhood that could feel universal. I thought of King Kone, the soft serve place where I grew up. Although I don’t remember ever dropping my cone, I could picture it as if I had. This little piece was born in a Kathy Fish Fast Flash workshop, and it was originally titled “How To Cope With Loss,” but Myna Chang suggested I title it “Begin With An Ice Cream Cone.” I liked how that reflected the circular nature of the story, and was a little less on-the-nose for pointing out the driving meaning of the piece.

 

2) Though there is a lot of heartbreak in this story, there is also a lot of hope, of going back, of finding your way. Do you consider this to be a hopeful story?

A: Yes, I do. It’s impossible to avoid sadness and heartache, but they aren’t always isolated. I used to be better at shifting my focus to the positive. I remember taking a very sad friend to my favorite abandoned barn and walking through the dangerously undulating second story, trying to share every strange happiness, trying to fill him up with enough joy to crowd out the pain. It didn’t work, I used to be overly (annoyingly?) optimistic. I think some things get easier, but not everything. Now feels like a strange dark time, so I inspect shards of memories looking for small ways back to feeling good.

 

Begin with an Ice Cream Cone ~ by Melissa Saggerer

When you drop your ice cream cone, you can ask your mom to share hers with you. Yours was a twist, but hers is vanilla, and even though it’s not your favorite, it’s sweeter now, more satisfying. While you’re still prickling with longing for the melting lump on the pavement, you’re okay. When you’ve used up your favorite watercolor brick – Prussian Blue – the color of the northern sky as it darkens, the sea when it’s deep, but not too deep, and the boat in your dreams, you can try to remake it with other colors. A different blue, a purple-r blue emerges, might you like that too? When your first boyfriend stops calling, you can put a dinosaur band-aid on your heart, tending to your pain, something tangible to touch, say, yes, this happened, but also, you will heal. When you move, when you miss all of your friends, when you even mourn your post office attendants, the trees you no longer see, you can begin again with new routines. Find a coffee shop where they always smile, find someone to go to a laughing meditation with, laugh it away until you’re crying, ha ha ha, ho ho ho, hee hee hee, and when you wipe the tears away, you feel a little better. When you get married, and your father isn’t there, you almost wish you had asked him to walk you down the aisle, but you thought it was too paternalistic, you asked him to read a poem instead, but now that he isn’t there, you wish you had given him that request. You can put one foot in front of another, and you can smile, you try not to cry, you look at all the people you love, you try not to cry. When your first pregnancy does not result in your first baby, you can hold a pillow at night. Imagine all the things that would have followed. When loved ones die, you can think of the good times, you think of their hard times. You wonder if they’re floating in the ether, if they’re meeting angels, if they’re mingling with grandparents, past pets. When you lose your job, you can make lists, reassess your strengths, try to reinvent yourself. In your doubt and your struggle, you try to find hope. When you lose your way, you can try to follow the breadcrumbs back to the beginning, and start again, with an ice cream cone.

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Melissa Saggerer has been a bellhop, a museum curator, and a library director. You can find her flash in Leopardskin & Limes. On twitter @MelissaSaggerer.

Two Questions for R.A. Matteson

We recently published R.A. Matteson’s shimmering “Galatea.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

 

1) This is a myth that has always bothered me — no real woman is good enough for this man and he falls in “love” with a statue, which is then made real for him. There’s something so uncomfortable about the whole story for me. How do you interpret the source material? 

Pygmalion doesn’t seem to know how to deal with someone who has agency. And I don’t think he’ll be happy with Galatea for long, now that she’s a living woman with opinions and pimples. Maybe the authors of the myth intended for Galatea to still be a mindless statue, just made out of skin this time. Maybe it never occurred to them that she might grow a personality, or that she might think or want anything. But if we assume that Galatea turns into a woman with a mind and a voice, either Pygmalion is going to get tired of living with someone who can speak up, or Galatea is going to learn to hide her heart. Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of women (and people in general) discover that it’s just easier to pretend they’re not people or to let someone else dictate their humanity to them. In this piece, I wanted to explore the pressure that our relationships (romantic, platonic, and parental) can put on us to play roles. People do this to each other all the time without even noticing. For Galatea, this pressure must be even stronger. She only has one person, and he knows exactly what he wants her to be. It’s the kind of “love” that can crush a person.

 

2) I love that the narrator here dreams of being rock again, disappearing into the ocean to someday become “some finger gem.” Do you think there is any escape for her other than this?

When I wrote the ending, I imagined the process of becoming a “finer gem” in two different ways. One was figurative and hopeful, the other literal and darker.
The biggest trouble Galatea faces is that she has already been told who and what she is. She’s never been separate from this one man. I can’t help but wonder if Galatea can even hear her own voice in her head, or if Pygmalion has shaped that part of her as well. So, yes, I think there are other options for her, but I don’t think any of those options involve Pygmalion. As long as he’s around, it’ll be too easy to slip back into performing the personality he expects of her. She’ll need to find some way to shape herself, to become “self made.” And she’ll need people to support her while she’s figuring these things out. And maybe she’ll become something more, something “finer,” than Pygmalion imagined.
On the other hand, this type of growth is difficult and complicated, so I can’t really blame her for getting overwhelmed. She might sometimes wish it would all go away, or that she wouldn’t have to notice the way people think about her. As long as she doesn’t have the ability to shape herself, being conscious probably wouldn’t feel worth it.
I can only hope she learns to see herself through her own eyes, because without that change from within, she’ll carry Pygmalion with her no matter where she goes.

Galatea ~ by R.A. Matteson

No one asked her if she wanted to be real. Just as Pygmalion tore her from the earth, battered her shapeless form with his chisel, scraped her skin smooth, dressed her (undressed her) all without asking, he had not thought to ask if she wanted to come down off the pedestal. The fickle goddess, too, had forced breath into her, had given her no warning.

And now she knows that she is not the first woman to dress as she’s told, to smile the smile someone else has given her, to stand, silent as stone, watched by people who think they love her. She is not the first and this company is the last thing she wants.

Sometimes at night, when the wind is hot and salty, she imagines going down to the water as it laps hungry against the sand. (Oh, she hates the hunger). She imagines walking into the waves. Letting the water drag her down like the rock she was.

Maybe she could once again become stone, like the white fingers of so much coral. Maybe, in the secret dark, where he cannot see her, she will be crushed into some finer gem.

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R. A. Matteson lives on Lake Superior with a cat who often sounds lost even when all the doors in the house are open. She has been published in Molotov Cocktail and would like to tell you a story if that’s ok with everyone.

Two Questions for Xenia Taiga

We recently published Xenia Taiga’s intense “And The Clouds Never Stopped Coming.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

 

1) This story opens with a relatively brutal scene, the mother melting the daughter’s dolls. What led to this moment?

The story was born from two threads. One was a conversation I had with friends, both married and unmarried, about controlling sexual desires. If one was cultivating self-control, how does one go about finding entertainment that doesn’t involve a. too much drama (cause already got enough of stress, thank you very much!), b. too much violence (squeamish), and c. that doesn’t have any romantic tendencies. My immediate thought was of those Disney cartoon movies! Disney movies are great! Cute and entertaining. Then, wait a minute, I realized most of them revolved around the love relationship theme. The second was a discussion I had with a friend, whose girl I occasionally helped babysat. We both were disappointed that her three year old and a half kept choosing movies that were on love and weddings. The mother tried her best to steer her daughter onto other topics. Such as look at this cool place! Wouldn’t it be awesome to travel the world with friends? The girl always returned to the same subject. To comfort the mother I said it was a phrase and that she’d outgrow it, but so far she hasn’t. As for the mother in the story, she was out back smoking a cigarette. She snapped. She got tired of hearing her daughter singing. She got tired of the dancing princess. She got frustrated with society.

 

2) The difference between the narrator’s moment with her mother and her moment with her grandchildren — I love the contrast here. She has grown such a beautiful soul and she shares that with the children. Did you ever think she might have turned out differently? That this story would have a different ending?

I never did entertain that thought. Most of the time as people grow older and experience life’s struggle, they’re reminded of the struggles their parents went through or the difficulties their friends faced; as a result they develop empathy and a tenderness as well when they realize that life is short and must be celebrated each day. Of course, this doesn’t always happen and those kind of people are usually miserable and have few friends. But the mother in the story is different. She learned. She is still learning and wants to continue learning. As a result she’s sharing what she learned with the children.

And The Clouds Never Stopped Coming ~ by Xenia Taiga

Her mother clicks the cartoon off. She ignores her daughter’s pleas. She was in mid-chorus; singing along with the princess, dancing when the TV’s screen went blank. Now her mother heads to the bins where she keeps her toys. In her arms she carries all her dolls with their pretty dresses, the princesses and princes. She follows her mother to the kitchen. She plops them on the counter and one by one removes the dolls’ clothes. The pink heart-shaped dresses and golden tiaras lie next to the naked dolls piled on top of each other. It’s an obscene scene and the little girl blushes. Her mother ignites the burner. Under the flames, the tiny-stitched clothing melt. The smell of burnt plastic stinks up the kitchen. When the mother finishes, she turns around to reprimand her daughter. “Don’t cry.”

She takes the girl’s hand. Out in the backyard she places her daughter’s hands on the oak tree. “This is your husband,” she says. She plucks a flower. “This is your lover,” she says. They lie their backs on the wet grass and watch the wind blow the clouds. “These are your friends,” she says. In the kitchen, she removes the Diet Coke from the fridge and takes a half of a packet of Mentos. Dropping the Mentos in, the soda explodes twenty nine feet high. “This is your life,” she says. Days afterward the floor tugs the bottom of their feet and their arms are covered in the sweet brown liquid that drops from the ceiling.

The girl grows up. She forgets. When she arrives home crying over a broken heart, when she bursts through the front door sobbing over her divorce, the woman takes her by the hand and leads her toward the backyard. She spreads her hands and says, “This is all yours.”

  Years pass. The girl remarries and gives birth to more children. They both grow older, but the mother grows older still. And when the girl, now a woman not worth your salt, hears the news, she arrives at the burial site. Her hand reaches up. From the sky she plucks wisps of clouds and sprinkles them over the grave. The grandchildren standing by her side grow impatient. “Nana, why must we be here?” they ask. She leads them to the tree standing nearby and wrap their hands around it. “This is your spouse,” she says. Among the weeds, she collects flowers and twists them into crowns of glory. Placing them on their heads, she says, “These are your lovers.” They run to the creek that sweeps along the graveyard’s edge. There they fall on their backs to count the clouds. When they reach a thousand, she rises and spreads her arms. “These are your friends.” They laugh and laugh and laugh, for never before have their hearts been filled with so many good things. It feels wonderful.

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Xenia Taiga lives in southern China with a cockatiel, a turtle and an Englishman. Her work has been nominated for the Pushcart Prize, Best Small Fictions and is part of Best Microfiction 2019 Anthology. Her website is http://xeniataiga.com/. Her abstract artwork is available on Etsy.

Two Questions for Derek Heckman

We recently published Derek Heckman’s gorgeous “Revelations.”

Here, we ask him two questions about his story:

 

1) I noticed on Twitter, you were kind of spitballing this story as”a ‘Left Behind’-style story where the good Christians all get raptured and the End Times begin on earth and everyone just kind of makes it work.” Do you often think of your stories like this, or was this an exception?

Of the stories that I’ve written, the ones I’ve wound up liking the best, and the ones I’ve had the most fun writing, all kind of started as jokes. I don’t necessarily mean that as like ba-doom-tss, laugh out loud kind of jokes, but just that there was something sort of odd or offbeat about an idea, and it made me kind of smirk. It’s a little like when you’re hanging out with your friends and you all start riffing and doing a bit. Somebody says something and someone else expands on it or adds something new, and each new little joke just keeps the momentum going. That’s a lot of how I write. The story itself doesn’t usually turn out funny. I have a story in The Collapsar called “Accidents,” and while the finished thing is really pretty heavy, the germ of it was this kind of jokey thought of “a cheerleader has an existential crisis,” and I just sort of riffed it into a longer, more serious piece. The same thing happened with this one. I made a silly, early-morning tweet, but then saw all the ways it could keep going and, well, kept it going.

 

2) I love your take on Death — he seems like such a nice fellow! Actually, I just love your take on the apocalypse and that beautiful, beautiful imagery at the end. Do you think, with all this, that the people who got raptured might be envious of those left behind?

I’d say probably yes and no. The conceit of the story is that there is no cosmic trick or anything: The people who thought they would get capital-s Saved end up being right and they get to go to Heaven and be with their creator. On the one hand, I’m sure they were pretty happy about that, but on the other hand, can you imagine having to spend eternity with those people??? Even if you were one of them??? I think there’s a spinoff story to this one with Heaven as this kind of bitchy suburban lane where everyone’s trying to undermine and backstab each other all the time, because that’s what I think it would be like. The flip-side of that is that, back on Earth, the End Times are serious stuff. The rivers are full of blood and there’s all this disease and death. But I think if you got all the nay-sayers out of the way, there are people who could do some really amazing things, who really could figure out how to clean up all water and put an end to all the pestilence. I think more than anything that the people who would be left would also be the people who could see each other through all that. It’s all those people in Italy singing out of their windows during a lock down, you know? I think that that community aspect is something we have in us and is really something to strive for, apocalypse or no.

Revelations ~ by Derek Heckman

1Well, it happened. All the quote-unquote “Good Christians”—all the ones who’d affixed a Jesus fish to their bumpers; all the ones who’d gone to church every Sunday (except the Catholics); all the ones who’d given money to televangelists, if you can believe it—all of them disappeared one day, just like they’d said they would.

2There was a bit of disappointment at first, a bit of Oh. Okay then. But after a while, those of us who got left behind did what human beings have been doing ever since the first of us died, way back when: 3We got on with it.

4The rivers ran with blood, of course, but in this day and age, it didn’t take long for someone to discover how to filter it out. 5The water was left with a mineral tang that most of us got used to and some people found that they liked. 6Locusts swarmed to feast on our crops, but you can eat locusts, too, you know. 7We laughed when we first ate them because, really, they tasted like chicken.

8The Dragon came, every once in a while, courting us to follow him. Some people did, but most of us didn’t. Most of the ones who did came back. He was surprisingly even-tempered about it, just nodded, seemed to understand. 9Non serviam, we told him, and really what could he say to that?

10We found we didn’t miss the ones who’d been sealed as servants of God. Maybe if you were married to one or the child of one, you grieved, but soon you noticed how relaxed you felt, how much straighter you were able to stand. 11There was no one around anymore to tell you who you could and could not to love. There was no one to say what your name had to be or what your body couldn’t do or what shames you should carry with you forever and ever, amen. 12The nights were longer than they had been, but through them, we had each other. You could hold someone if you wanted, but didn’t have to. 13We found that actually, we all wailed less, and most everyone stopped grinding their teeth.

14We found a cure for all the pestilence. 15We agreed that we were done with the wars. 16We looked and beheld a pale horse, and him that sat on him was Death, and while Hell did follow with him, he wasn’t nearly as bad as all that. More often than raking us over with his scythe, we would catch him simply watching as we cooked or built shelters or danced. He liked to hear our stories. The simplest of jokes made him roar. Wonderful, he’d say, while listening to someone whistle. Wonderful, he’d sigh when he saw you scratch a dog behind the ears. 17You can find him in the woods a lot, these days, birds alighting on his skeletal fingers. He is fond of giving children a ride on his horse; he seems to value their smiles most of all.   

18The demons are the same, for the most part. They like whiskey and playing cards and will often keep it down if you ask. They keep to themselves, really, just happy to be out of the flames.

19These are the things we’ve learned in The End Times: That even the trumpeting of the angels eventually fades into the background. That a lake of fire turns out to be as beautiful as it sounds. 20That the stars are no longer fixed in the sky, but this has only made us look at them even more.

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Derek Heckman was born in Peoria, Illinois, and holds an MFA in fiction from the University of Montana. His work has been published in Embark Journal, Ellipsis Zine, The Collapsar, and Wigleaf, and was also featured in the anthology “Teacher Voice” from Malarkey Books. He currently lives in Boston, Massachusetts, and you can find him on Twitter as @herekdeckman.

Two Questions for Tayler Karinen

We recently published Tayler Karinen’s stunning “Frank Sinatra Didn’t Know What He Was Asking For.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

 

1) This is such a great love story — going from the first sparkling blush of new love to the heartbreaking end of a relationship. Do you think there would be any way it could work out between the narrator and luck? Or was this relationship doomed from the get-go?

When writing this piece, I felt from the beginning that the relationship would be doomed from the get-go. I wanted to explore the idea of falling in love with the idea of love, companionship, and commitment, rather than being in love with your partner. For the narrator and luck, it was very much that. The idea of wanting to fall in love, wanting commitment and companionship. The narrator knows very little about luck other than what’s on the surface, but is so desperate for love, and is unwilling to let her go. Luck, on the other hand, realizes that she wanted the same companionship, but not with the narrator.

 

2) At the end, the narrator offers trinkets and gems to luck to convince her to stay, to prove their love. Of course, it doesn’t work. What would be the best gift for luck?

In the end, I don’t think there would be a gift for luck that ever would have convinced her to stay. I think the best gift for luck would have been the narrator accepting the end of the relationship, that it served its purpose for the both of them, but that it was time to let it go.

Frank Sinatra didn’t know what he was asking for ~ by Tayler Karinen

If luck were my lady, her fingers would weave like spindles in between my own. The warmth of her palm would radiate in my hand while we sat in the back of our cab, Chicago nightlights whirring outside liquor-fogged windows, our drive never ending. She’d let her nose graze the side of my jaw and I’d thank God I could call her mine, if only for the evening, if only for the hour, if only for this brief moment in time.

 

I wouldn’t worry she’d leave my side. We’d hit the lottery, the jackpot, buying homes and cars until our hearts were content. We’d pick and choose what property to stay at day to day—our villa in Paris? Our cabin in Spokane? We’d stay curled up in Egyptian cotton sheets all day, bare feet tangled together and eager hands always traveling north, south, westbound, eastbound, to every curve and crevice in between. The sex would be amazing.

 

I’d tattoo a horseshoe on the back on my neck in her honor. She’d squeal with excitement as the needle whirred, the artist’s hand always steady but never still—shading, perfecting, crafting until my lady nodded her head in approval. “Yes,” she’d say, “that’s exactly it.”

We’d use our endless fortune to pay for scientific discovery. Our money would pave the way to a miracle serum, carbonated immortality in a bottle and it’d taste like Vanilla Coke.  We’d sip until the fizz was in our nose, challenging one another to belching contests and wishing that we could burp bubbles like they do in the cartoons. We’d drink expensive scotch until it went straight to our heads, rolling on the floor watching the ceiling swirl. She’d begin to cry, softly, drunken tears she couldn’t reason with, and I’d ask her if she was thinking about someone else.

 

She’d begin to sleep with her back to me. It’d be too hot to be close, our bodies too accustomed to comfort. She’d sleep with her feet curled, legs pulled to her chest, mine still searching for her at the end of our California king. Our trips would slow, the thrill long gone after visiting every country in the world. She’d begin to feel distant. She’d start saying things like “eternity is just a long time” over dinner.

 

If luck were my lady, it wouldn’t last. I’d beg, I’d plead, I’d buy her every gift she’d ever asked for, every flower known to man, a diamond for every day I’d been able to call her mine. She’d tell me we never had anything in common.

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Tayler Karinen lives in Saginaw, Michigan. She graduated from Central Michigan University with a MA in English Literature and Creative Writing. Her fiction has previously appeared in Hot Metal Bridge, The Roadrunner Review, Cardinal Sins, The Harpoon Review, and Cease, Cows. One day, she hopes to pursue a MFA, publish a collection of flash fiction, and make her cats proud.