Two Questions for Rina Olsen

We recently published Rina Olsen’s powerful “Bataya Slums, 1971.

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

1) You’re a junior in high school, yet you bring to life this place and time before you were born — and the details all feel so authentic! How did you come to choose this particular subject for your story?
As of late, I’ve grown increasingly interested in exploring my identity as a zainichi Korean. After being forcefully brought to Japan during the Japanese Occupation to replenish the country’s dwindling labor force and resource supply (due to the Second Sino-Japanese War), my great-grandfather and his family could not return to Korea after World War II. For generations my family stayed in Japan and, like many other zainichi Koreans, faced—and continue to face—severe racial discrimination. “Bataya Slums, 1971” is a reflection of this: particularly in the 1960s and 1970s, unable to find work elsewhere, many zainichi Koreans had to make money by collecting scraps for recycling, and wound up living in the bataya (meaning “ragman” or “rubbish man”) slums close to their “workplace.” When I saw the black-and-white photograph of a bataya slum on the History Museum of J-Koreans website, I immediately found myself reaching for my journal. It took a few tries, but once I got the structure down the details came quickly (with a bit of research for the pop cultural references, of course). One might say that this was an ekphrastic piece, but it was also drawn from the intergenerational trauma of suppressing one’s identity to blend in, as well as trying to answer the question of whether a “forever foreigner” can ever truly belong in the country they were born in.

2) All the imagery is powerful, but for me, this line — “We pick up the votes our fathers wanted to cast and stow them in our pockets” — is so breathtaking. Here, you are telling the reader so much about the characters and their lives. What made you decide to include this particular line?
This line was mostly in tribute to my grandfather, who passed away before I was born. Zainichi Koreans still do not have widespread suffrage, and my grandfather never got to vote in his life. I included this particular line to draw attention to the fact that even in the 21st-century, zainichi Koreans are not granted full civil liberties, and how the characters, seeing their immigrant fathers’ inability to achieve the dream of becoming “native,” do the opposite of their forebears and exchange their freedoms for safety. But I also think that through this line, I wanted to tell my grandfather not to worry, because here on Guam our family is able to vote without being barred by discriminatory laws. I did add some other references to whatever I could gather about my grandfather (the newspapers he used to read; the Hi-Lite cigarettes he smoked), but I primarily decided to include this particular line to mourn the fact that he lived out his adulthood in a country that refused to accept his opinion simply because of his ethnicity.

Bataya Slums, 1971 ~ by Rina Olsen

This is how we unlearn the foreign body:

We pick up glass bottles with our bare hands. We pick up cardboard—soggy. We pick up old takoyaki boxes, slick with grease, and splintered chopsticks stained with brown sauce. We pick up tea-stained newspapers and place bets on how much the tea and paper cost. We pick up charred wood, pick up used rags. We pick up Coca-Cola cans, their cold kiss on our fingers supplanting the nonexistent fizz in our throats. We pick up the flecks of spit that fly from our lips when we make our rounds, chanting kuzui oharai, kuzui oharai. We pick up the ju sounds that flick from our foreign mouths and twist them into a natural zu. We pick up grocery bags: cloth and plastic. We pick up Olympus Pen cameras. We pick up shoes without the laces. We pick up laces without the shoes. We pick up babies’ shoes, clearly worn, and scraps of clothing with too many holes to take home to our sisters. We pick up boxes of Hi-Lite cigarettes—empty, of course. We pick up Orion’s Cocoa Cigarette boxes (“we support your non-smoking”). We pick up Pinky Chicks albums. We pick up movie posters for Immortal Love and Go, Go, Second Time Virgin. We pick up old leather belts, the kind with the brass buckles. We pick up our mothers’ voices, the ones that say come home quickly instead of don’t forget to buy fish. We pick up snow shovels with jagged tears in the soft red plastic. We pick up see-through plastic PET bottles. We pick up the shrill screams of children at the park, half a block away, and the excited pulse of their running footfalls. We pick up the votes our fathers wanted to cast and stow them in our pockets. We pick up used Pilot ballpoint pens and all the words that drained out of them. We pick up how to recycle. This is how we recycle. We recycle. Recycle.

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Rina Olsen, a rising high school junior from Guam, is the author of Third Moon Passing (Atmosphere Press, June 2023). She edits for Polyphony Lit, Blue Flame Review, and Cathartic Youth Literary Magazine, and she was invited to be an instructor for Polyphony Lit’s Summer 2023 writing workshop Around the World of Poetry in 80 Days. Her work has been recognized by the John Locke Institute, the Walt Whitman Birthplace Association, the Sejong Cultural Society, and Guam History Day, and her most recent writing has either appeared in or is forthcoming in The Round, Thimble Literary Magazine, and Sophon Lit. Visit her at her website: https://rinaolsen.com.

Two Questions for Francesca Leader

We recently published Francesca Leader’s powerful “Let Me Try To Make It Interesting.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

1) “Let me try to make it interesting,” our narrator tells us, but she could also be saying “let me tell this story in a way I can bear to tell it. Let me share this story the way it could have happened instead.” Do you think it would be harder for her to tell her story in a way that wasn’t “interesting”?
That might well be the case, but it wasn’t what I had in mind. I actually started writing this piece as a subversion of “strangeness for its own sake,” which I think results from using surrealism/irrealism solely to add charm or novelty. I think this approach can render a piece of writing lifeless. I tend to write realism because I feel best able to convey emotion that way. To my own surprise, as I was writing this piece, I noticed the metaphors taking on a life of their own, and telling a story of trauma in a way that felt authentic to me. By the end of it, I thought the story really was more interesting told this way, as a sort of parable, than it would have been if narrated realistically.

2) And at the end, we learn the “real story.” One of escape and freedom and inner strength. Will our narrator keep telling variations of this (her?) story throughout her life? Or is she ready to move on to a new story?
I do see the narrator leaving this story behind and moving on to a new one. However, I don’t think this means she’s on an “onward and upward” trajectory, never to repeat the same mistakes. I don’t think understanding who she is and what she deserves will necessarily save her from being ensnared or hurt again. It will, however, empower her to more quickly and easily liberate herself the next time. 

Let Me Try to Make It Interesting ~ by Francesca Leader

CW: Sexual assault

I know the real story would bore you, so let me try to make it interesting. Instead of saying I was molested at eleven, I’ll say a boy with laser-red eyes opened a rat cage in his grandmother’s cellar, and the rats ran all over me, nipping and scratching my skin until I had none left, and when my skin grew back it was transparent and permeable as water. Instead of saying I was assaulted at nineteen, I’ll say I awoke one night to discover my tangled bedsheets had become boa constrictor coils, and the harder I fought, the tighter they squeezed, and I survived only by breathing the thin straw of moonlight between the curtains until the first rays of sunrise shot through, turning the vampire boa to dust, which my waterlike skin soaked up hungrily, hardening and scaling a bit as a result, but remaining transparent. Instead of saying I surrendered my whole being, at twenty-five, to a man who was also a boy—the same kind of boy who’d molested me, the same kind of man who’d assaulted me—I’ll say I walked naked and barefoot into the wilderness, believing I wouldn’t be hurt if I gave myself willingly this time. But the beast I met wasn’t a rat, nor a snake, nor a lion, nor a bear, nor any cutting or strangling creature, but a handsome-faced, limpid-eyed parasite who pushed his way down the slippery slide of my throat and opened up inside me, flattening my essence against my body’s walls until it bonded to the bone-and-blood bricks, until I was little more than a container in which the beast could hide himself, looking out with my eyes, smiling with my lips, speaking his words with my voice. I’ll say it was years before I realized what was happening. I’ll say that just before the parasite absorbed the last remnants of my self, just before he discarded my useless husk to move on to a fresh host, I began, with my mind, to tell him “no”—just “no”—and didn’t stop telling him “no” until, repulsed by the newly-bitter taste of my atoms, he shrank up and withdrew, and my skin grew back as it had been in early childhood—fresh and soft, but opaque and strong, providing a safe home for my heart, my soul, and my secrets. The real story is that I’m here. The real story is that I’m free. The real story is that I’ve learned—finally—the difference between being loved and being consumed.

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Francesca Leader is a self-taught, Pushcart-nominated writer originally from Western Montana. Her work has appeared or is forthcoming in HAD, Wigleaf, Fictive Dream, Barren, the J Journal, Bending Genres, JMWW, Drunk Monkeys, Bright Flash, and elsewhere. Learn more about her work at inabucketthemoon.wordpress.com.)

Two Questions for Max Kruger-Dull

We recently published Max Kruger-Dull’s wonderful “Self-Portrait in Assignments.”

Here, we ask him two questions about his story:

1) I love the way the different vignettes tell us the story of this character in relation to these assignments — we get such great lines like “Life was moving too slow for me,” “… as if I’m a person who knows how to think.” Do you think this narrator’s life was shaped by these assignments or is this list merely incidental?
I think the narrator’s life, and my life and maybe the lives of most people, can’t help but be shaped by repetitive tasks. So assignments, for the narrator, become like driving to work or watching TV or getting ready for bed. These relationships to recurring events can turn very intimate and specific. I think it’s also very natural to be concerned about intelligence, especially scholarly intelligence. This narrator is not someone who was told growing up that there are many kinds of intelligence. This narrator is also not someone who was told that being content and enjoying yourself can be just as valuable to the self and to society as being unavoidably intelligent. Throughout the course of his life, the assignments did become a stinging reminder of his insecurities, and in that way they themselves shaped him a lot.

2) That last moment, where we’ve left the narrator’s school experiences behind and are watching (with him!) his daughter — it is such a powerful moment. There is so much love and admiration for his daughter here. But do you think this father will try to pressure his child to perform better than he did, since we see hints of his regret? Or does he only regret because he feels like he can’t keep up with his child?
Going forward, I think the narrator will experience a troubling inner conflict as to how to raise his child. My sense is that he’ll think of his uneasiness surrounding his intelligence and will pressure her into pushing and pushing herself academically and socially to “succeed.” But I think he is very aware of how unhappy it made him to be constantly judging and grading his mind; so I think he will also try to be kind and relieve some of the pressure that life and school will put on her. I think he’s self-aware enough to be able to verbalize his anxieties about his daughter’s life and more or less from where these worries originate. I think he will also try to verbalize these to her directly to let her know where he’s coming from. Ultimately, he’ll have a very hard time, I believe, of striking a balance of encouraging her to healthily push herself without being too extreme about it or adding in a certain amount of shame and worry.

Self-Portrait in Assignments ~ by Max Kruger-Dull

Mr. Z

Back in high school, persuasive writing class. The assignments were flimsy, a waste of time. Who should be the next president? What’s the most useful college major? I wrote an essay arguing against apologies. Apologies are the most selfish form of persuasion, I wrote. I put in little effort beyond that point. In that class, I broke pencils against the desk and dreamt of a big future where doodles had no place on my hands.

Assistant Professor J. Mittleman

Last month, I skimmed some study that explained why, on average, gay boys do best in school. When I showed the study to my husband, he said, “Yeah, you did stay in the closet way longer than me.”

Mrs. F

In third grade, I tried hard. We wrote short stories. I wrote of a jungle, a gorilla, a trapper. My gorilla knew Swahili and English and had manicured nails. I cried when writing of his fall over that mossy cliff; he was pushed. Dad and I revised the story for six hours, the longest I’d ever sat with an assignment. My grade: E for Excellence. Mrs. Fritz submitted my story to a statewide writing competition, which Lydia Davis won. I was expecting my story to appear in a book. Life was moving too slow for me.

Mrs. Y

Now when I help my daughter with her homework, I mourn the years when I neglected and discouraged my brain. My daughter is in fourth grade. She is the fastest at division in her class.

Puzzle Master W. Shortz

My coworker and I used to do crossword puzzles on the bus home from work. She had a quick brain, or quick compared to mine. While we filled in answers, her brain sat on top of my soggy one, getting higher, peering over the fence at the world.

Mrs. P, Mr. T, Mr. N

There was that time in tenth grade when I let Jen cheat off of my chemistry test because I’d already cheated off of Sam’s. There was that time I aced an English test because I’d read To Kill a Mockingbird back when I was eight years. There was that time I convinced myself to be curious about chi-squares and bell curves. There were those months I brought an empty backpack to school. So light and floppy.

Judge K

In jury duty fifteen years ago, I was thirsty. I asked the bailiff for orange juice, no pulp. We were told of the woman who cut off her boyfriend’s toes. Like most, I made excuses to be dismissed. “Knives have a mind of their own,” I said. I said, “Knives are notoriously hard to wield.” I must’ve been less convincing than the other slippery people there because the judge told me to stand up. “You’re not taking this seriously,” he said; “Write me a five-thousand word essay on the importance of jury duty and leave.” “That’s not how this works,” I said. But he held out a pen and legal pad for me. After sulking, I wrote how the court could improve its image. I was unsure how to best craft my argument.

Mr. K

Before my daughter was born, I signed up for woodworking lessons and made her a crib. Working with my hands barely tamed my fears of fatherhood. But the geometry helped soothe me. I carved repeating triquetras on the planks of the crib. I felt so smart, so superior, explaining vesicae piscis lens shapes to my husband. It takes great effort now to keep the information from slipping out of my head.

HMS, HSS, UMass Amherst

In middle school, in high school, in college, I promised myself to start trying hard whenever the assignments began to feel real.

Mrs. L

My husband and I have a meeting with our daughter’s elementary school guidance counselor. She hands us a blank form to fill out with the extracurriculars we wish her to take. My husband suggests gymnastics and Spanish. “Yes, Spanish,” I say, “and German. Mandarin. French. Chess club. Math club. Student government. More?” My husband writes down some of these. I accept his revisions to my list. And at home, I look at my daughter. For social studies, she’s writing down amendments she’d like to add to the Bill of Rights. She is taking herself so seriously. I take her so seriously. I read over her list and speak to her as if I’m a person who knows how to think. 

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Max Kruger-Dull holds an MFA in Writing from Vermont College of Fine Arts. His recent work has appeared or is forthcoming in AGNI, Litro Magazine, Roanoke Review, Quarterly West, The MacGuffin, Hunger Mountain Review, and others. He lives in New York with his boyfriend and two dogs. For more, please visit maxkrugerdull.com.

Two Questions for Michelle Ross

We recently published Michelle Ross’s powerful “Extinction.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story.

1) I love that first sentence, the way the parents “throw” the word divorce “like a dart,” never hitting the center of the target. The parents would obviously not see it in this way, but it’s such a perfect, vivid portrayal of how the children view this summer. Do you think the parents will ever look back and think “well, we could have handled that better,” or will this be a pain the children keep to themselves all their lives?
That these children choose to escape their family’s home day after day, yet the parents continue to argue all summer long, suggests a certain lack of parental introspection that doesn’t bode well, in my opinion. I mean if it were me, I’d be hugging the heck out of these kids that first day they return from being out all day. I’d tell them how remorseful I was, and I’d work hard to refrain from fighting in front of them.
I hope the parents will eventually see how badly they behaved, but I think that either they won’t or even if they do, they aren’t the sort of people to do something about it. They’re too self-centered to confess to their mistakes, to apologize, to try to improve.
But I don’t worry too much about these kids. They’re tough. They’re independent. They take pretty good care of themselves.

2) And, okay, the first sentence is wonderful, but holy heck, that last sentence! The absolute weight of it! Do you think this occupation with the spider and its victims is something the children would have had without that word divorce hanging over them all summer?
I imagine these kids would have been intrigued by the spider and its victims regardless, but I also believe the threat of divorce, the constant tension in their home, lends extra weight to what they observe. They don’t dare get involved for fear that the death will be more or as much their doing as the spider’s. And they’re right, I’m sure. If they tried to free that insect, they’d end up stabbing it or clipping a leg or a wing. It’s going to die no matter what, just as their parents’ marriage surely will. Better to stay out of it, to distance yourself as much as possible.

Extinction ~ by Michelle Ross

The summer our parents threw the word divorce like it was a dart—puncturing the hell out of their target, but always just missing the bullseye—we spent our days in the woods. This was before extinction meant anything other than trilobites and saber-toothed cats. The woods seemed to us then anything but delicate. We poked sticks into holes, hoping to rouse whatever lurked inside. We practiced standing still as rabbits until we believed we could become invisible if we needed to. We believed we might need to. We picked and ate blackberries, so plump and so sweet, straight from their prickly vines. Sometimes we plucked them pale pink, even though the pinks were more bitter than sweet, much too hard to bite through. We rolled those unripe berries around in our mouths, imagining they were somebody’s brains—not so much like we were eating them but like we were keeping them safe there in the dark of our mouths. Something soothing in it. We named the banana spider whose gigantic web stretched between two scraggly oaks Charlotte. We stopped to ask what she caught in the night. We inspected the entombed bodies strung from her pantry like ornaments—always placid and stiff, until one dewy morning, a fresh catch, still heaving in and out with desperate breaths. Impossible to tell what was trapped underneath all that white gauze. We watched the victim’s dwindling breaths for longer than we’d watched anything in our lives, except television. We felt we were seeing something secret. We felt excited, but also guilty for feeling excited. We whispered of bringing our mother’s tiny hangnail scissors into the woods to cut the victim free. Imagined snipping the tight, gossamer threads of bondage. But we never did go get those tiny scissors. We didn’t want to leave, didn’t want to miss a thing. Also, we feared the operation wouldn’t go smoothly. It was one thing to watch a thing die but another entirely to kill it with your own unsteady hand.

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Michelle Ross is the author of There’s So Much They Haven’t Told You, winner of the Moon City Press Short Fiction Award (2017), Shapeshifting, winner of the Stillhouse Press 2020 Short Fiction Prize (November 2021), and They Kept Running, winner of the 2021 Katherine Anne Porter Prize in Short Fiction (April 2022). She is an editor at 100 Word Story. More can be found at www.michellenross.com.

Two Questions for Srilatha Rajagopal

We recently published Srilatha Rajagopal’s lovely “Appa.”

Here, we ask her two questions about her story:

1) I love the Appa character here — though the reader only meets him after he is already gone, there is something so fatherly about how the narrator thinks of what he would have done, we really feel his presence here. Will the narrator often think of their father this way, do you think, picturing things he would have done?
I wanted to convey how much the father (appa in my language, Tamil) was missed. While he was alive, he annoyed her with his constant interference in her life, from the mundane to the really important decisions, leaving an imprint. Now that he’s gone, she misses him and his annoying micromanagement – at least what she thought was micromanagement, but she’d give anything to be able to respond to it positively one more time. Some might think this is toxic parenting, I certainly did, but yes, I think she thinks of him often, missing the love, wondering what he would have done or said. The underlying emotion is remorse for what she didn’t appreciate while he was alive.

2) That last line at the end is so powerful. I love that, while mourning their father, the narrator stops to check on their own child, creating such a lovely thread from parent to child. Is the narrator checking in with their daughter to avoid thinking about their father? Or is it because they are thinking about their father that they are checking in?
I think it’s an unconscious, almost reflexive, trait that the father has passed on to the narrator. She doesn’t realize how much of her father she’s become even though she was annoyed by his ways. Also, I hope the roots of her personality come through with this line – even though separated by an ocean and living in different continents, even though she didn’t enjoy his interfering ways, she has imbibed it and is continuing to propagate it. I see this in my own life – I think I was over 40 when I shockingly realized I was more of my father than I wanted to be and I sometimes see this trait starting to show up in my daughter. I think our parents influence how we parent. Some of us turn away from it consciously and choose the opposite, some of us choose to adopt it, but the influence is undeniable. I love how you describe as a thread. That’s exactly what it is.

Appa ~ by Srilatha Rajagopal

Appa would have reminded you about the latest airline covid restrictions, even though he hasn’t stepped inside an airplane for over ten years, he would have been getting on WhatsApp every day after you booked the India tickets – to ask you to send him the itinerary (which he would have printed with the help of the apartment manager fellow, bugging him until he exasperatedly gave in and printed it, and put it up on the refrigerator), to ask if your daughter will visit India this time with the white boy whose name (Joe) he can never remember so he makes up a different name each time, like how’s Edward, or has George finished college, to bring him Fruit of the Loom underwear, just that, just that for him, no amma doesn’t need anything, just a six pack, maybe twelve, but no more than that, to remind you to call the taxi company, whose contact he would have forwarded to you, and who he would call to let them know his daughter is coming from America, and she will need taxi services from and to the airport, to check if you called the taxi company, to ask how much the tickets cost, to tell you to bring nothing for any of the other relatives, maybe just chocolates for your niece and nephew, to check if you landed in Dubai, to check if you left Dubai, to ask what you would like for lunch as you stand in the immigration line filling out forms, because breakfast would be at Adyar Anand Bhavan (A2B) where he would always take you the morning you arrive in Bangalore, jetlag be damned, telling the maid, your amma, anyone who would listen for days before your arrival about breakfast with his daughter at A2B, calling your cell phone to give the taxi driver directions when you get close to Fortis Hospital on Bannarghatta Road even though the driver has plugged in appa’s address in the GPS and is perfectly capable of finding it, and finally pacing in the basement garage with a towel wrapped around his head to stave off the early morning Bangalore chill, looking like the milkman of your childhood days, having woken up the watchman, making you cringe at all the commotion as your car enters the apartment complex, but appa died the previous week, and you would give anything to respond to his WhatsApp messages with anything other than silence, a thumbs up sign, or an exasperated ok appa I’ll let you know, but all you can think of is how you got mad at him the last time you visited because he asked if you had gained weight, and so you get down in an empty basement, the watchman has no idea who you are, and as Raj unloads the suitcases, you take out your phone and check if your daughter responded to your reminder to make her doctor appointment.

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Srilatha Rajagopal lives in Florida with her husband of thirty plus years. She was born and raised in Chennai, India. She loves to read, write, cook, garden, experiment with her iphone camera, and watch birds in her backyard. She was an IT Project Manager and software programmer in a former life. She has been published in Identity Theory, Pithead Chapel, Off Assignment, Tree and Stone Magazine and in the national flash flood journal 2022. She has a recipe/cooking website at rasaala.com.